Expensive concealed carry law to take effect July 1 on KCKCC campus

by Mary Rupert

Concealed carry at Kansas City Kansas Community College will go into effect on July 1, over the objections of most faculty, staff and students.

The KCKCC Board of Trustees chairman, J.D. Rios, views it as an expensive unfunded mandate by the state of Kansas, which passed a law requiring people to be allowed to carry guns on public college campuses.

“It’s regrettable that we have to allow this,” Rios said. Students, faculty and staff don’t see it in the best interests of the community, he added.

“But we have to obey the law,” Rios added.

KCKCC has posted signs about the new policy, has posted information about it on its website (kckcc.edu), and has made an educational video about the new policy.

Rios said the new concealed carry law may cost the college more than $100,000 – the exact figures will be available after a future meeting, he added.

Even if the state had funded it, the college still wouldn’t have supported allowing concealed carry on campus, Rios said.

Already, KCKCC’s insurance carrier has dropped the college from coverage because of the risk, Rios said.

“This has happened across the state; we weren’t the only college,” he added. “We have found a provider, but our insurance is going to go up thousands of dollars. This is part of the cost that I’m talking about, also.”

“The state, of course, didn’t add any money to our budget,” he said. The state made a cut of $400,000 to the KCKCC budget a year ago.

“They not only cut our budget but now they’re adding expenses, and I would call it an unnecessary law,” Rios said. “But that’s my take on it.”

KCKCC is considering bringing in a metal detector and guard to selected events that are held at the fieldhouse, according to Rios.

He said another board member, the college president and he went to Topeka this spring to testify against concealed carry on campus. He said there were more speakers against it than for it, but the colleges were not exempted. Some of the proponents of concealed carry were state legislators, he added.

“They are dwindling away at local control,” Rios said. “I think that’s not the best precedent to set. Until the voters get educated and make a change, this is how I think it’s going to be.”

The state law requires public colleges to allow persons to carry concealed weapons on campus, unless the college sets up metal detectors and security guards at each entrance. KCKCC has so many entrances that it isn’t feasible to post a guard and place a metal detector at each one, according to Rios.

‘Be very aware’

State Rep. Val Winn, D-34th Dist., who is also a KCKCC professor, said Wyandotte County’s legislators were only able to repeal concealed carry for public hospitals, not public colleges.

She said faculty of public colleges across the state are very concerned about the law going into effect July 1. Some faculty members have left the state universities because of it, she said, but she is not aware of any leaving KCKCC for that reason.

“Faculty as well as students need to be very aware of their surroundings,” Rep. Winn said. It is her belief that the college environment is not a place where weapons and guns should be allowed, she said.

Second Amendment supporters

While legislators who opposed concealed carry on campus tried to amend bills, their attempts were blocked by the majority party leadership, according to Rep. Winn. The concealed carry bill passed in 2012, and an exemption was available to colleges until this July 1.

She believes lobbying played a big role in colleges being forced to accept what they did not want. “What really irritates me is the NRA and the leadership, they were negotiating instead of listening to the people of Kansas,” Rep. Winn said.

KCKCC sponsored a forum on concealed carry on campus in March, with students attending and expressing their opposition, she said.

There is a state Second Amendment group that has support in the Legislature and a PAC that has given funding for campaigns and mailers. The Kansas State Rifle Association PAC reported spending of around $8,500 in January 2017, about $22,000 in October 2014, about $8,700 in January 2014, $8,700 in October 2012, $4,200 in January 2012, $2,200 in January 2010, $10,100 in October 2010, and $4,300 in July 2010, according to campaign finance reports.

State Sen. Steve Fitzgerald, R-5th Dist., of Leavenworth, who represents western Wyandotte County, expressed his support for the Second Amendment and concealed carry during a candidate debate last year at KCKCC and also during the forum in March.

In an Oct. 17, 2016, candidate forum at KCKCC, Fitzgerald strongly supported allowing guns on campus, saying, “Gun-free zones are killing zones.” He referred to shooting incidents on other campuses nationwide. “Nobody wants a gun in here, until you want a gun in here, and you want somebody next to you or in your own hand, a gun that will stop it.” He said he supported the right of people to defend themselves.

Police perspective

KCKCC has its own police department and its own police chief, Greg Schneider. Schneider said the college is covered by his staff 24 hours a day.

Schneider said the college had received an exemption to the concealed carry law for the past four years, but the opportunity to get an exemption has now expired.

“Effective July 1, concealed carry will be legal on (public) college campuses, unless those campuses provide adequate security measures,” Schneider said. “Basically, that would consist of metal detectors, wands or more elaborate portable metal detectors. With that, you still have to come up with a cost of those products, plus have to have manpower at each entrance as well. From a feasibility standpoint, the state keeps cutting funding, for higher education, so we don’t have money laying around to come up with these adequate security measures.

“Since we can’t provide these ‘adequate security measures,’ essentially, guns will be allowed on campus,” Schneider said.

There was a long line to get into the Turner graduation May 15 at the KCKCC fieldhouse. Security measures were being tried out for the graduations this year.
(File photo)

Schneider said KCKCC used metal detectors, wands and bag checks with graduations held at the KCKCC fieldhouse this spring, as people entered the building. That allowed them to see how operations might work after July 1. But he said the college won’t implement it on a daily basis at the fieldhouse, as that is expensive, and will possibly only use it for certain events. That is referred to as “temporary adequate security measures.”

Schneider said in his more than 30 years experience, he has not seen a lot of incidents involving guns at the college campus. There has been an incident in the past involving a gun at the college dorm.

Now, he said he is trying to get the message out about the college’s new weapons policy and rules concerning concealed carry. Those rules, such as being over 21 and no prior record, and where a gun can be carried, are posted on the college’s website at www.kckcc.edu. There may be areas of “temporary adequate security” where guns are not allowed, according to KCKCC rules. Guns may be stored in a locked vehicle if guns are not able to be seen, but they can’t be stored in desks, lockers and offices. The open carry of a gun is prohibited.

The law on concealed carry does not mandate training for those who carry a gun. Each individual who decides to carry a gun should ask himself if he is prepared to carry it or use it, Schneider said. “It comes back to common sense,” he said.

Schneider said police officers such as himself are placed in some danger if there are gun incidents on campus. If there is an active shooter incident, he has to respond, he said. If he sees two people pointing a gun, he has to make a split-second decision, he said. He discussed this situation at the college forum held in March on the topic.

“What if I take out the so-called good guy trying to help out?” he asked. If he makes the wrong decision and shoots the one trying to help, at that point charges could be filed against him, he could possibly be suspended or lose his job. And with the notoriety that would come with that action, it would be hard to find another job, he said.

“Why aren’t we talking about this – what it’s going to do to officers involved,” he asked.

He said his job is just to carry out the law, and it does not matter what his personal opinion is. He has to carry out the law to the best of his ability, and make the college the safest environment for everyone who is there, he said.

“I just wish you could get both sides, pro and against, to come in the middle and have a little reasoning, and have a plan,” he said. It seems like the only options are totally for it, totally against it, and nowhere in between, Schneider said. “I think somewhere in between is where the reasoning comes into place.”

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4 comments

  1. Charles Hill says:

    The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to self defense in the 2nd Amendment. This has been true since the 1700s. Those rights should not be denied when attending the Community College. In our increasingly dangerous world, more and more Americans are waking up to their personal need for and responsibility to be prepared in a self defense situation. Gun sales in America are up more than 30% in the last few years, and the largest growing segment of buyers are ladies, who are more vulnerable to violent crimes. A larger number of people carrying guns actually makes it safer for themselves and others, not more dangerous.

  2. Rich...... ricseib@comcast.net says:

    Arms control of the people is not an enumerated power!

    video on arms, here it is: https://vimeo.com/60944105

    State concealed carry laws which require a “permit” is an idea crafted in the pits of hell. The real purpose is to register gun owners! People think it is so cool to have a permit for concealed carry – they don’t understand that it is like the free sample of heroin.

  3. Rich...... ricseib@comcast.net says:

    Gun Free Zones are killing zones..
    Mindless gun-free zones are what mass shootings have in common. They are killing zones, free from good guys with guns. That’s why the Aurora movie theater killer chose the more distant theater where guns were not allowed and thus where he wouldn’t have to worry about his plan being foiled.

  4. Jay Eimer says:

    Why should this new policy “cost” the college money? They are not required to do anything. People who have been carrying concealed around you at the mall, in restaurants, the bank and driving on the roads are now next to you in the classroom. And you still won’t know who they are and they will present no problems.

    And forget the argument about the college being against it. The Bill of Rights are God-given civil rights that pre-exist the formation of the government. These are rights that protect minorities. They aren’t up for a vote. Self-defense should never have been banned on campuses in the first place.

    And don’t use the “oooh, scary – guns are on campus now” argument, either. Guns have been on campus all along. The campuses are open. People from the nearby neighborhoods cut through, use trails, or meet friends in the convenient parking lots all the time. Some of those people (including some students, unfortunately) are criminals. Criminals (see definition) don’t follow the law. At least a few of them have been carrying guns (illegally) all along. And they’re the ones that are more likely to be a problem.

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